Killeen to Dallas Airport Shuttle

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How is Your Service Different?

  • Any Address - We pick up and drop off at your home, business, hotel or any airport.
  • Better - most rides are non-stop and no sharing in a Nice Car, SUV or Shuttle.
  • Flexible - we pick you up on your schedule 24/7. It's also always free to change the date or time if your flight changes.
  • Safer - we don't leave you at a bus stop, and all our drivers go through nationwide fingerprint background checks.
  • Faster - most rides take half the time, because it's just you in the vehicle. No need to stop and wait everywhere.
  • Convenient - Door to Door means no need to arrange or pay for a Taxi or Lyft to get home.
  • Affordable - once you add it all up, it's the same price or less than other shared ride shuttles for two or more people, or less than Uber with just one person.

Daily Schedule (Killeen to Dallas)

What is your daily schedule?

We pick you up on your schedule 24/7, and take you anywhere in Dallas and Fort Worth. Our professional shuttle drivers are normally 5-10 minutes early at your home in Fort Worth and Dallas, or right on time at Dallas Fort Worth. You pick the time we pick you up. Normally 30 minutes after you land is enough time to get your bags and find Prearranged. Heading there from Georgetown? See our Georgetown to Dallas shuttle page for direct service.

What is my pickup time at DFW?

We normally pick you up 30 minutes after your plane lands for domestic flights, or 45 mins after for international flights. If you don't have bags, you can schedule your pickup time for 15 mins after you land, or 30 mins for international flights with no bags.

What happens if my flight is delayed in Dallas?

Pickup times automatically adjust to 30 minutes after you land if your flight is delayed for domestic flights at DFW, or 45 minutes after you land for international flights. Please let us know as soon as possible if your flight number changes. You can always text us if there is a delay. This is helpful since airlines don't always update things online when they are late.

What happens if my flight in Dallas arrives early?

Call or send us a text if you want us to pick you up early at Dallas Fort Worth, and we will let your shuttle driver know that you are ready to be picked up. Otherwise, we will pick you up at the scheduled time on your reservation. If it's hot outside, please wait inside the DFW terminal closest to prearranged until your car or airport shuttle is a minute or so away.

How soon should I make a reservation?

Although there is no set rule that prevents booking a Killeen to Dallas Shuttle last minute, it's a good idea to make your reservation as soon as possible so a shuttle driver is available and prevent any delays with picking you up. There's no need to confirm again if you've already made a reservation, and received a confirmation email.

How long does it take from Dallas or Fort Worth Texas?

Texas Shuttle trips from Dallas or Fort Worth Texas in normal traffic are about an hour and forty minutes versus three and a half hours on the bus with a bunch of people. Rush hour in downtown Dallas and Fort Worth will normally add 15-45 mins (30 mins on the average). You might think there's no way a bus or another shared ride shuttle company in Dallas or Fort Worth Shuttle would take that long, but they stop and wait 3-5 times to pickup people. Buses and other shuttles also don't leave on your schedule, so you might wait 30 mins - 1.5 hours if the bus is running late. With us it's just you going straight to Fort Worth or Dallas, normally non-stop in a nicer vehicle or shuttle.

What time should I be picked up?

The drive to Fort Worth is about 1 hour and 40 minutes. 3 hours and 30 minutes before your flight is normally enough time if you're going to DFW. Dallas Fort Worth recommends you be there 2 hours early to get through security and find your gate. Boarding in Dallas usually starts 30 mins before your plane takes off. However, one hour and thirty mins is generally okay. Dallas and Fort Worth Shuttle driving takes about 2 hours, then 3 and a half hours before your flight takes off is normally good. You start running the risk that they will give your seat away in Dallas about 40 mins before your flight takes off. Sometimes a little extra time is good and makes your trip to Fort Worth stress free by adjusting for the unexpected.

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With more than 50,000 customers and 5 years in business, Texas Shuttle LLC owns Killeen to Dallas Shuttle, and has shuttle drivers all over the State of Texas. Our main office is 10 minutes from DFW and Love Field in the Dallas Fort Worth area. Heading to Dallas? See our Belton to Dallas shuttle service for direct rides into Dallas.


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Traveling from Killeen to Dallas? Our drivers navigate through scenic Texas highways, including I-35, making stops in vibrant neighborhoods like Cedar Park and Richardson. This route is popular among business travelers heading to DFW Airport for meetings and executives flying into Love Field. Expect a smooth journey that typically takes around 2 hours, with pickup points ranging from the Killeen area to major intersections in Dallas.

Passengers often appreciate the convenience of avoiding traffic jams on local roads by using our reliable shuttle service. Whether you're traveling for work or leisure, our vehicles provide a comfortable and stress-free ride, ensuring you arrive at your destination punctually.

Do you adjust pickup times for flight delays?

We monitor flights and will adjust pickup times accordingly to ensure you are picked up on time regardless of any delays. Trust us to keep your travel plans hassle-free.

Flying out of Love Field instead of DFW for a Southwest hop from Killeen? Book our Killeen to Love Field (DAL) airport shuttle service for direct door-to-door rides.

Quick Answer: How Long Does It Take to Drive from Killeen to Dallas?

The most common question travelers ask is simply "how long does it take?" If you're driving non-stop from Killeen, TX to Dallas, TX, you can expect the journey to take approximately 2 hours and 26 minutes under normal traffic conditions. However, actual travel times can vary between 2 hours 45 minutes and 3 hours 30 minutes depending on traffic, weather, and your chosen route.

The distance between Killeen and Dallas is approximately 154 miles (152.7 miles according to mapping services). This puts the journey firmly in the "medium-distance drive" category, making it very doable as a day trip or weekend getaway. The route primarily follows Interstate 35 (I-35), one of Texas's major north-south arteries, which means you'll generally find good road conditions and multiple rest stops along the way.

The Halfway Point Between Killeen and Dallas

Understanding where you'll be midway through your journey can help with planning breaks, meals, or even overnight stops. According to geographic calculations, the closest town to the halfway point between Killeen and Dallas is West, Texas, situated approximately 77 miles from Killeen and 76 miles from Dallas. Reaching West from Killeen takes about 1 hour and 21 minutes, while the drive from Dallas to West is roughly 1 hour and 17 minutes.

If you're looking for a larger city with more amenities, Waco, Texas is the major city closest to the halfway point. Waco lies 59 miles from Killeen and 95 miles from Dallas, making it approximately 1 hour and 5 minutes from Killeen and 1 hour and 32 minutes from Dallas. Waco offers numerous restaurants, hotels, and attractions including the famous Magnolia Market at the Silos, making it an ideal halfway stopping point for a longer break or even an overnight stay.

Driving from Killeen to Dallas: What You Need to Know

Route Options and Highway Numbers

For most drivers, the primary route follows US-190 West from Killeen, which connects to Interstate 35 (I-35) near TEMPLE. From there, you'll continue north on I-35 directly toward Dallas. This route passes through several cities including Temple, Waco, and Hillsboro before reaching the Dallas metro area.

An alternative route follows US-67 west to Stephenville, then takes TX-220 to connect with Interstate 20 (I-20) heading east toward Dallas. While this route adds some distance, it can sometimes be faster during peak traffic times on I-35. GPS navigation apps typically offer real-time traffic updates to help you choose the best route on any given day.

Gas Costs and Environmental Impact

For those calculating fuel expenses, the estimated cost of gas for a Killeen to Dallas trip is approximately $21-$45, depending on your vehicle's fuel efficiency and current gas prices. At an average USA gas price of around $3.48 per gallon, a typical sedan using about 6 gallons for the trip would fall at the lower end of that estimate. If you're driving an SUV or truck with lower fuel economy, expect costs to be higher.

It's worth noting the environmental impact of this journey as well. The average car will release approximately 120.32 pounds of CO₂ into the atmosphere during this 154-mile trip, working out to about 0.79 pounds of CO₂ per mile. For eco-conscious travelers, carpooling is an excellent option to reduce this footprint significantly.

Alternatives to Driving: Bus, Train, and Flight Options

Taking the Bus from Killeen to Dallas

If you prefer not to drive, several bus services connect Killeen to Dallas. The bus route typically takes approximately 3 hours and 57 minutes, including any transfers. Most routes pass through Waco, where you may change buses. Bus fares generally range from $50-$80, making this a cost-effective option for solo travelers. Greyhound and other regional carriers operate these routes, with multiple departures daily from the Killeen area.

Flying: Killeen to Dallas Airports

For the fastest journey time, flying is an option worth considering. American Airlines operates flights from Killeen-Fort Hood Regional Airport (GRK) to Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport (DFW) approximately five times daily. Flight time is just over an hour, though you'll need to factor in airport check-in and security procedures. Airfares can range from $40-$310 depending on booking timing and availability.

Alternatively, some travelers find it convenient to fly from Austin-Bergstrom International Airport, which is about 75 miles from Killeen. Connecting flights through Houston's Hobby Airport are also available, though this extends travel time to nearly 3 hours total.

Amtrak Train Service

Train enthusiasts may be interested to know that Amtrak offers service from Temple Station (about 25 miles from Killeen) to Dallas. The Amtrak Texas Eagle route connects these cities, though service frequency is limited compared to bus or driving options. Contact Amtrak at 1-800-872-7245 for current schedules and pricing.

Comparing Your Options: Cost, Time, and Convenience

Transportation Mode Approximate Travel Time Estimated Cost Range Best For
Driving (Personal Vehicle) 2h 26m - 3h 30m $27 - $45 (fuel only) Flexibility, carrying luggage, road trip experience
Bus (Greyhound/Regional) 3h 57m $50 - $80 Budget travelers, avoiding parking stress
Flight (GRK to DFW) 2h 46m (including airport time) $40 - $310 Speed priority, business travelers
Amtrak Train Varies by schedule Varies Scenic travel, train enthusiasts

For most travelers, driving remains the most practical option due to the relatively short distance and the flexibility it offers. You can depart on your own schedule, stop wherever you want along the route, and have your vehicle waiting for you in Dallas. However, if you're visiting Dallas for business or want to avoid fatigue from a long drive, the bus or flight options provide viable alternatives.

Planning Your Killeen to Dallas Trip

Best Times to Travel

Traffic between Killeen and Dallas typically peaks during morning rush hours (7-9 AM) and evening rush hours (4-7 PM), particularly as you approach the Dallas metro area. For the smoothest drive, consider departing mid-morning or early afternoon. Weekends generally see lighter traffic, though Saturday mornings can still be busy.

What to Do in Dallas

Once you arrive in Dallas, the city offers world-class attractions including the Dallas Arts District, the Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza, and the AT&T Discovery District. Sports fans can catch games at the American Airlines Center (home of the Dallas Mavericks and Stars) or AT&T Stadium in Arlington. For shopping and dining, head to Uptown, Deep Ellum, or the Galleria Dallas mall.

Making the Most of the Drive

The Killeen to Dallas route passes through some noteworthy Texas landmarks. In Waco, the Texas Sports Hall of Fame and Dr Pepper Museum offer quick educational stops. The Cameron Park Zoo in Waco is also worth considering if traveling with children. Near the Dallas border, Cedar Ridge Preserve offers a nature escape just minutes from the city.

Frequently Asked Questions

What is the exact driving distance from Killeen to Dallas?

The driving distance is approximately 154 miles (152.7 miles according to mapping services). The straight-line distance is about 131 miles.

Is there a halfway point between Killeen and Dallas?

Yes. The closest town to the halfway point is West, Texas, located 77 miles from Killeen and 76 miles from Dallas. The closest major city is Waco, Texas.

How much does gas cost for the Killeen to Dallas drive?

Estimated gas costs range from approximately $21-$45, depending on your vehicle's fuel efficiency and current gas prices. At an average of $3.48 per gallon, a typical sedan uses about 6 gallons for the trip.

Can you take a bus from Killeen to Dallas?

Yes. Bus service is available with a travel time of approximately 3 hours and 57 minutes, including transfers. Fares typically range from $50-$80.

What is the fastest way to travel from Killeen to Dallas?

Flying is the fastest option, with a total travel time of about 2 hours 46 minutes when including airport procedures. The flight itself takes just over an hour from Killeen-Fort Hood Regional Airport (GRK) to Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport (DFW).

What highway runs between Killeen and Dallas?

The primary route follows US-190 connecting to Interstate 35 (I-35). Alternative routes include taking US-67 toward Stephenville and connecting to Interstate 20.

How long does it take to drive from Killeen to Dallas non-stop?

Non-stop driving takes approximately 2 hours and 26 minutes under normal conditions. With traffic delays, rest stops, or bad weather, plan for up to 3 hours or more.

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Pricing / Fares to and from Dallas

How much does a shuttle cost to Dallas TX?

It depends on the addresses you enter, if it's in the middle of the night or early morning, and the number of people. Check rates by clicking the buttons that say "Check Rates" below. There are different options under "Select Service" like "To Airport" or "From Airport" and "One Way" or "Round Trip". Choose the option called "Any Two Addresses 24/7" for non-airport transportation between any two addresses in Texas. Rates are total, not per person.

How do I save money?

Enter the promo code "ONLINE" for round trips and save 10% for booking online, or book a round trip and save more both ways. You'll also get a free upgrade to non-stop if you use the promo code "NONSTOP". We're here to help; so if you have any questions, feel free call us.

How Do I Get an Accurate Quote?

  • Step 1 - You can just type city and check rates, but we recommend entering the full address to get an accurate quote since we have special rates for certain zip codes and most pricing is mileage based. Once you fill in the addresses, click "View Rates".
  • Step 2 - We include pricing for Texas Taxi, Airport Shuttle and Black Car Service, so you can compare costs and have more options. Choose the type of service you want with the correct number of passengers. Once a price comes up, click "Reserve Now"
  • Step 3 - Enter your name, cell phone and email to save your quote and automatically get a copy sent to your email. We can easily look up your quote by name if you call and finish up your reservation. Just click "Continue"
  • Step 4 - The website won't book anything until you enter a credit or debit card on the final booking screen. You will automatically receive a confirmation email with all the details after you click "Confirm My Reservation".

What are the benefits of using our service?

Door to door shuttle service is included on all our trips. Usually trips in Texas are non-stop in a nicer vehicle. Texas Shuttle can pick you up Dallas, or your home anytime 24/7. We normally take you straight there, which is very different from other companies that leave you at a bus stop in Texas, and stop and wait repeatedly. We also don't pack you in with 8-54 people you don't know.

Does it cost anything to change my reservation?

You can change the date and time of your reservation at no cost. If you don't know the exact address, you can enter the city for now and reserve it, then give us the full address later. If you don't know your flight number landing in Dallas, you can estimate the time and update the flight number and time later.

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Our Nicer Vehicles

What type of vehicle will pick me up?

We send a Killeen to Dallas Shuttle or SUV (4+ passengers) or a nice car (1-3 passengers) anytime and take you to any address in Fort Worth Texas, not just DFW. Our Dallas and Fort Worth vehicles are clean and newer. Most vehicles are luxury and full size. We have Mercedes Sprinter Shuttles, Lincoln Navigators, Lincoln MKZ's, and a variety of other vehicles.


Pickup Locations

Your Texas Shuttle picks you up where it says Prearranged at DFW or Ground Transportation at Love Field. If you are in a wheelchair, do not allow your attendant to leave you anywhere except Prearranged at DFW. The signs are easy to see, and they are always at the curb.
Security won't allow drivers to wait or walk more than 15 feet away from their vehicle, so good communication is essential. Turn on your cell phone and take it off airplane mode and silent, so your driver can call or text you. If you don't recognize the number, it's probably your driver.


DFW - Prearranged Limo is located at the lower level of each terminal. Please choose the closest one to your gate and let your driver know when they call or text you.

  • Terminal A - Level 1 - Prearranged Limo is across the crosswalk from Door A15 and A29. 
  • Terminal B - Level 1 - Prearranged Limo is across the crosswalk from Door B8 and B30. 
  • Terminal C - Level 1 - Prearranged Limo is across the crosswalk from Door C4, C10, C24 and C30. 
  • Terminal D - Level 0 - Prearranged Limo is Downstairs near Door D22.
  • Terminal E - Level 0 - Prearranged Limo is Downstairs near Door E35.

Love Field - Ground Transportation is on the lower level down the ramp from the baggage claim. Head to the right, and we pick you up where it says Oversized Vehicles.


Better Drivers (Killeen to Dallas)

Who are your drivers?

Most of our shuttle drivers have been driving professionally for more than 10 years in Dallas or Fort Worth Texas. They have excellent people skills, and are usually very knowledgeable about the area from Dallas to Fort Worth. Some of our shuttle drivers are professional guides in Dallas or Fort Worth Texas. Learn more about our drivers.

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Quick Answer: How Long Does It Take to Drive from Killeen to Dallas?

The most common question travelers ask is simply "how long does it take?" If you're driving non-stop from Killeen, TX to Dallas, TX, you can expect the journey to take approximately 2 hours and 26 minutes under normal traffic conditions. However, actual travel times can vary between 2 hours 45 minutes and 3 hours 30 minutes depending on traffic, weather, and your chosen route.

The distance between Killeen and Dallas is approximately 154 miles (152.7 miles according to mapping services). This puts the journey firmly in the "medium-distance drive" category, making it very doable as a day trip or weekend getaway. The route primarily follows Interstate 35 (I-35), one of Texas's major north-south arteries, which means you'll generally find good road conditions and multiple rest stops along the way.

The Halfway Point Between Killeen and Dallas

Understanding where you'll be midway through your journey can help with planning breaks, meals, or even overnight stops. According to geographic calculations, the closest town to the halfway point between Killeen and Dallas is West, Texas, situated approximately 77 miles from Killeen and 76 miles from Dallas. Reaching West from Killeen takes about 1 hour and 21 minutes, while the drive from Dallas to West is roughly 1 hour and 17 minutes.

If you're looking for a larger city with more amenities, Waco, Texas is the major city closest to the halfway point. Waco lies 59 miles from Killeen and 95 miles from Dallas, making it approximately 1 hour and 5 minutes from Killeen and 1 hour and 32 minutes from Dallas. Waco offers numerous restaurants, hotels, and attractions including the famous Magnolia Market at the Silos, making it an ideal halfway stopping point for a longer break or even an overnight stay.

Driving from Killeen to Dallas: What You Need to Know

Route Options and Highway Numbers

For most drivers, the primary route follows US-190 West from Killeen, which connects to Interstate 35 (I-35) near TEMPLE. From there, you'll continue north on I-35 directly toward Dallas. This route passes through several cities including Temple, Waco, and Hillsboro before reaching the Dallas metro area.

An alternative route follows US-67 west to Stephenville, then takes TX-220 to connect with Interstate 20 (I-20) heading east toward Dallas. While this route adds some distance, it can sometimes be faster during peak traffic times on I-35. GPS navigation apps typically offer real-time traffic updates to help you choose the best route on any given day.

Gas Costs and Environmental Impact

For those calculating fuel expenses, the estimated cost of gas for a Killeen to Dallas trip is approximately $21-$45, depending on your vehicle's fuel efficiency and current gas prices. At an average USA gas price of around $3.48 per gallon, a typical sedan using about 6 gallons for the trip would fall at the lower end of that estimate. If you're driving an SUV or truck with lower fuel economy, expect costs to be higher.

It's worth noting the environmental impact of this journey as well. The average car will release approximately 120.32 pounds of CO₂ into the atmosphere during this 154-mile trip, working out to about 0.79 pounds of CO₂ per mile. For eco-conscious travelers, carpooling is an excellent option to reduce this footprint significantly.

Alternatives to Driving: Bus, Train, and Flight Options

Taking the Bus from Killeen to Dallas

If you prefer not to drive, several bus services connect Killeen to Dallas. The bus route typically takes approximately 3 hours and 57 minutes, including any transfers. Most routes pass through Waco, where you may change buses. Bus fares generally range from $50-$80, making this a cost-effective option for solo travelers. Greyhound and other regional carriers operate these routes, with multiple departures daily from the Killeen area.

Flying: Killeen to Dallas Airports

For the fastest journey time, flying is an option worth considering. American Airlines operates flights from Killeen-Fort Hood Regional Airport (GRK) to Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport (DFW) approximately five times daily. Flight time is just over an hour, though you'll need to factor in airport check-in and security procedures. Airfares can range from $40-$310 depending on booking timing and availability.

Alternatively, some travelers find it convenient to fly from Austin-Bergstrom International Airport, which is about 75 miles from Killeen. Connecting flights through Houston's Hobby Airport are also available, though this extends travel time to nearly 3 hours total.

Amtrak Train Service

Train enthusiasts may be interested to know that Amtrak offers service from Temple Station (about 25 miles from Killeen) to Dallas. The Amtrak Texas Eagle route connects these cities, though service frequency is limited compared to bus or driving options. Contact Amtrak at 1-800-872-7245 for current schedules and pricing.

Comparing Your Options: Cost, Time, and Convenience

Transportation Mode Approximate Travel Time Estimated Cost Range Best For
Driving (Personal Vehicle) 2h 26m - 3h 30m $27 - $45 (fuel only) Flexibility, carrying luggage, road trip experience
Bus (Greyhound/Regional) 3h 57m $50 - $80 Budget travelers, avoiding parking stress
Flight (GRK to DFW) 2h 46m (including airport time) $40 - $310 Speed priority, business travelers
Amtrak Train Varies by schedule Varies Scenic travel, train enthusiasts

For most travelers, driving remains the most practical option due to the relatively short distance and the flexibility it offers. You can depart on your own schedule, stop wherever you want along the route, and have your vehicle waiting for you in Dallas. However, if you're visiting Dallas for business or want to avoid fatigue from a long drive, the bus or flight options provide viable alternatives.

Planning Your Killeen to Dallas Trip

Best Times to Travel

Traffic between Killeen and Dallas typically peaks during morning rush hours (7-9 AM) and evening rush hours (4-7 PM), particularly as you approach the Dallas metro area. For the smoothest drive, consider departing mid-morning or early afternoon. Weekends generally see lighter traffic, though Saturday mornings can still be busy.

What to Do in Dallas

Once you arrive in Dallas, the city offers world-class attractions including the Dallas Arts District, the Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza, and the AT&T Discovery District. Sports fans can catch games at the American Airlines Center (home of the Dallas Mavericks and Stars) or AT&T Stadium in Arlington. For shopping and dining, head to Uptown, Deep Ellum, or the Galleria Dallas mall.

Making the Most of the Drive

The Killeen to Dallas route passes through some noteworthy Texas landmarks. In Waco, the Texas Sports Hall of Fame and Dr Pepper Museum offer quick educational stops. The Cameron Park Zoo in Waco is also worth considering if traveling with children. Near the Dallas border, Cedar Ridge Preserve offers a nature escape just minutes from the city.

Frequently Asked Questions

What is the exact driving distance from Killeen to Dallas?

The driving distance is approximately 154 miles (152.7 miles according to mapping services). The straight-line distance is about 131 miles.

Is there a halfway point between Killeen and Dallas?

Yes. The closest town to the halfway point is West, Texas, located 77 miles from Killeen and 76 miles from Dallas. The closest major city is Waco, Texas.

How much does gas cost for the Killeen to Dallas drive?

Estimated gas costs range from approximately $21-$45, depending on your vehicle's fuel efficiency and current gas prices. At an average of $3.48 per gallon, a typical sedan uses about 6 gallons for the trip.

Can you take a bus from Killeen to Dallas?

Yes. Bus service is available with a travel time of approximately 3 hours and 57 minutes, including transfers. Fares typically range from $50-$80.

What is the fastest way to travel from Killeen to Dallas?

Flying is the fastest option, with a total travel time of about 2 hours 46 minutes when including airport procedures. The flight itself takes just over an hour from Killeen-Fort Hood Regional Airport (GRK) to Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport (DFW).

What highway runs between Killeen and Dallas?

The primary route follows US-190 connecting to Interstate 35 (I-35). Alternative routes include taking US-67 toward Stephenville and connecting to Interstate 20.

How long does it take to drive from Killeen to Dallas non-stop?

Non-stop driving takes approximately 2 hours and 26 minutes under normal conditions. With traffic delays, rest stops, or bad weather, plan for up to 3 hours or more.